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« on: May 24, 2019, 10:45:19 10:45 »

Hi - I've not been involved with microcontrollers for a few years, I used to like PBP3 used with microcode studio, the licenses were with a former employing company, where microcontrollers were part of a larger project I was working on. Now I'm freelancing and have something on the radar that requires I get back into microcontrollers, I'm not interested in learning another language, so any purchase has to be based on Basic, which narrows it down some what. However I'd like your opinions on the strengths / weaknesses of the mainstream basic compilers/development environments on the market. For me the two most likely to be purchased are Proton IDE, or PBP3 and microcode studio, worth mentioning is that one of my colleagues used PICaxe at highschool, and has his won licenses for some of their tools, so something similar to that syntax could be beneficial, but not necessarily a must have.

Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge and insights with me.

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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2019, 11:23:06 11:23 »

I have not used Proton Development Suite and I can't answer about that but medicine for it by PICkit2 is available here in this forum.

Also, a keygen for PIC Basic Pro is available in this forum.

I use PBP sometimes. It is okay for me for some Basic PIC projects.

Also, setup file for MicroCode Studio Plus and Swordfish and medicines are available in this forum.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2019, 12:24:24 12:24 »

If you are going to purchase a compiler make sure they support newer micros. I think PBP still adds new devices. Proton I don't know. Swordfish was pic18's only and I believe has not been updated for years?
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2019, 09:06:47 09:06 »

Updates/bug fixes for PBP are pretty rare. On the other hand Proton is a labor of love and is updated on a very regular basis. The only plus for Swordfish was that it implemented procedures, this has now been added to Proton albeit as an additional (25) purchase.

One of the real strengths of Proton is the number of nice plug ins eg FuseConfigurator, PDF Now (data sheet viewer/downloader). It also has a quite extensive list of Pic devices that may be used at no charge and unborged. (Swordfish has a limited free version)

One of the the things that ticked me off about PBP was that you can't specify the Pic Device in the source, so if you do anything that deals with hardware directly (which you will) be careful. There is lots of good stuff for PBP written by Daryl  Taylor who sadly is no longer with us.

The PBP and Proton forums have approx the same activity with Swordfish pretty much quiescent.

One downside that Proton and PBP share is that the IDE is provided by a third party.

Don't forget Mikroe Basic, on the surface looks to have lots of hardware support but is pretty buggy.

 
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2019, 11:10:19 11:10 »

mE profits from HW, not SW.. so the software for them is sth secondary. I used PBP in 2003, since then nothing has changed Cheesy Proton is the way to go, swordfish is excellent, but has little user base, C rules for embedded dev after all.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2019, 04:52:45 04:52 »

I've used all three and in my opinion your choices are Proton or Swordfish. If you don't mind being limited to the pic18 series then Swordfish is easily the best choice. While it's true the main compiler hasn't been updated in a while that's because it works. It supports pretty much all of the devices in that family, and is the only one that resembles a modern programming language.

Proton would be my second choice, or if you wanted support for the other 8-bit pic families.

I wouldn't recommend PBP3 to my worst enemy, although if you want something close to the PicAxe that's the one to choose.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2019, 05:08:48 05:08 »

And don't forget that Proton has a 16 bit compiler Proton24 included in the price.

It is very easy to undervalue an active forum, particularly when you're on the learning curve.  
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