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« on: March 02, 2015, 12:21:00 00:21 »

Cut&Paste you must know we don't allow such posts.
http://ebookw.com/magazines/computer-related/533969-elektor-electronics-dvd-2014.html

We don't need Cut&Paste from other sites.
It has to be your input...



Having 2000 eyes on the Internet and bringing USEFUL and RELEVANT material to the members here is a good thing, C&P or not, IMO. I, for one, wish you guys could lighten up on that "rule" because the useful material would not be available to us without trolling for it on a dozen or more sites. not to mention the value in having FILTERED material from sites like ebookw, vs having to spend an hour combing through the BS in the "computers and IT" category. Now multiply that hour by a hundred Sonsivri guys being forced to do the very same exercise.

For instance, the E2014 DVD was brought here, I never bothered to look for it anywhere, nor did I stumble across it, it's very useful, and now, with this "no C&P of any kind" rule, I, and a hundred other guys need to go look for it, wherever it is, then not share that finding with our friends here - that's not a very good idea, is it?

Is it better to have someone repost it up to a site where they get paid, after having mined it from a free place like ebookw (assuming they even found it), or for someone to just put it up, as found, taking responsibility for the link?

The only issue, in my mind, is whether the links are viable or maintainable by the poster. None of the links from that site are working today (looks like nitroflare may have been taken down).

I never understood the hard stance on "It has to be your input...".  On a C&P it IS your input. It's the content that counts, the issue is that the link to the material and the material itself has been verified, not whether you re-upped it to a filehost to get around an arbitrary and draconian rule interpretation.

I think the rule was meant to be "no c&p if you have not verified the contents of the filehost you are linking", not whether or not you spent a token amount of time re-uploading the material you did get from somewhere else.

We have members here who are fluent in Russian and Chinese, where most of the good stuff originates. They also are the ones who sometimes have a $hitty uplink. In some places it is illegal to post/distribute such materials, but it is not illegal to point a finger at it. Do we advocate them not posting the link, as is, from those kinds of sites, never seeing the good stuff that was/is there?

I'm all for making this place a FILTERED, one-stop shop, a portal, an information gateway, to our hobbies and interests with this site. Otherwise, it's going to be a ghost town for relevant and good content. FILTERED content from wherever. I, for one, don't care where it's from, as I'm sure 99% of the members don't, as long as the link is good and the contents of that link are what they are claimed to be.

I think the rule should be ""no c&p if you have not verified the relevant contents (not just the link) of the filehost you are posting" not a draconian "no c&p of any kind".

What say ye?
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 02:09:04 02:09 »

If this is a vote (which is probably isnt) but I say C&P is OK.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2015, 02:55:06 02:55 »

If you post it, it's yours.
you must know what your posting.
How can you tell if it's a cut&post.

Most I let slide, but there was a few last week, that were dead links.

another was links to https://www.nitroflare.com for a 1.8GB download it would take 36 hours in free mode.
yet where the original links where taken, had 3 other download sites, listed.

Posted on: March 02, 2015, 02:33:33 02:33 - Automerged

a quick google found valid links like this see link:

ul.to links would take less than an hour.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2015, 12:55:43 12:55 »

^ good points.

Say them next time, so we don't continue to do stupid things.

I, for one, am still waiting for Digikey to deliver the backordered parts for my MindReader-o-matic build and never gave any thought to free mode times, for instance.

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2015, 02:07:34 14:07 »

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I think the rule should be ""no c&p if you have not verified the relevant contents (not just the link) of the filehost you are posting" not a draconian "no c&p of any kind".
Originally the rule was you just had to verify the upload but 95% didn't , they just cut & pasted  and as the amount of bad link's. un-supported uploads and virus complaints escalated we changed it to this draconian "no c&p of any kind"
If they can't be bothered to download and try it themselves why post it were not here to test your link's are we  ?
plus they can't support their upload using someone else's links can they
And we also got rid of most of the guy's who came here just to make money from links here because it was to much trouble for them
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 02:19:13 02:19 »

I dunno I see both sides.  Certainly validating and testing links needs to be required but I don't know how you enforce that.  Downloading and creating private links may be the only viable way to assure that the stuff has been checked (or half way checked).
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 08:53:20 08:53 »

It's easy to enforce.

if you D/L and the link is dead or a dead end, you warn the poster with a posting so they fix the problem or at least so someone can provide a mirror if the filehost is inaccessible geographically.

No fixie, then call in the guy with the red vacation button to decide what to do based on the circumstances.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2015, 12:06:42 12:06 »

Hmm... it's another thing that relies on 'good' members doing the right thing.

I've posted a few C&Ps, but I have always downloaded them and checked them out as fully as possible (even stuff I have no use for myself) before posting here, and said so in the post. That's the way it should be done.

Perhaps that could be the guideline... if nothing is said about validating a C&P, assume it hasn't been.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2015, 01:37:44 13:37 »

If it's material found on the net, give a link to the original site (or paste the dl links if linking to the original site is impossible) disclosed.
If it's your own upload, attach the dl links enclosed.

Wouldn't that work?
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2015, 05:10:01 17:10 »

As I said I over look some C&P posts. but when a C&P has been lifted from another site, maybe not even where it was posted first, and a large download. and would take over 8 hours to download, without resume even longer.

As bbarney stated some c&p had hidden extras included in the download. Rule was made to stop this happening.

Don't forget no direct links to other sites.. think about this one Sad
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2015, 08:10:21 20:10 »

Don't forget no direct links to other sites.. think about this one Sad
Do you talk about rule 23?
"23 - Post direct links only. Do not post links to any forums (www.blablaforums.com) or personal page(www.blabla.com)"

At the time of posting one of my topic earlier I forgot about this rule and included several external references to pages that represent tasks similar to mine. The reason - I remembered this rule not literally. I understood it (maybe mistakenly) as "do not point to a page where the target is somewhere placed, instead point the target directly". In my case the targets were the texts where authors explained their work.

Your reminding does not make things easier. So how to understand this rule?
"Do not point to home page of any site" or
"Do not point to any page outside sonsivri forum" or
"Sites owned by posting person and any other forums could not be referenced" or just
"Give a precise link to a target"?
Does the word "personal" in the rule means that links to "official" pages are not forbidden?
What is the point of that rule?
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2015, 10:53:05 22:53 »

No this is not about any post by you.

Rule 23 That was made before I joined sonsivri, some users abused the links to their own site, for monetary gain and other reasons.

We do allow such links, with care, some users make good use of what they post on their personal site.
user catcatcat is one such member, he posts in forum and has some links to his site.

The down side of Rule 23 is Do not post links to any forums (www.blablaforums.com) or personal page (www.blabla.com).
This was a problem a few years ago , when users where sent to  a porn site when links to the site was changed by the site owner, who did not want users being sent to his site.

Rules are only part of keeping site content at a good level, Links to Other Sites are in a way the same as C&P we the users don't have control of such actions.

rule #1 should be use common sense, think before posting.  


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