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« on: March 06, 2013, 09:38:40 21:38 »

I am looking for somebody who has some experience about Rife machine.(FREQUENCY THERAPY)

more info:

http://www.rifevideos.com/dr_rife_and_cancer_a_realistic_view.html

http://www.rife-beam-ray.com/products.htm

http://www.rifetechnologies.com/non_technical.html

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 10:44:49 22:44 »

I heard of this in passing a while ago.  I thought it is snake oil.
But I am willing to be educated.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 01:06:25 01:06 »

So in short we're taking a fluorescent light bulb and using it's magic to kill my tumor?  Maybe with some different gases in the tube to get some different spectral content?
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2013, 01:18:58 01:18 »

The UV from the fluorescent tube will give you skin cancer, which boost your immune system to fight the other cancer.

You still die from cancer....

I love the excuses:

"Using Dr. Rife’s frequencies would be a good place to start but if they do not respond to these two frequencies Dr. Rife found then they may have a different virus or bacteria and should not think that the work that Dr. Rife did was without merit. "

Then there's this:

"The Attorneys General of Wisconsin and Minnesota sued a marketer of one such frequency generator for deceptive trade practices and consumer fraud. The Court found that she had violated the law and that, as a result of her actions, a cancer patient had ceased chemotherapy and died four months later.

In 2009 a US Federal jury convicted James Folsom of 26 felony counts for sale of the Rife devices sold as "NatureTronics," "AstroPulse,""BioSolutions," "Energy Wellness," and "Global Wellness." He used the false name "Jim Anderson" to avoid detection by the FDA and gave buyers the false impression that the FDA had approved them for investigation. He is in custody and will be sentenced in May 2009.

In 2002 John Bryon Krueger, who operated the "Royal Rife Research Society," was sentenced to 12 years in prison for his role in a murder and also received a concurrent 30-month sentence for illegally selling Rife devices.

In Australia, the use of Rife machines has been blamed for the deaths of cancer patients who could have been cured with conventional therapy. Although "Rife devices" are not registered by the U.S Food and Drug <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration> Administration and have been linked to deaths among cancer sufferers, the Seattle Times<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Times> reported that over 300 people attended the 2006 Rife International Health Conference in Seattle<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle> , where dozens of unregistered devices were sold."
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 02:55:12 14:55 »

Actually replica of the historical Beam Ray machine does work in some cases.  Grin

What is interesting is that the fact that original Rife devices always used plasma antenna and frequencies in the MHz range (even used to entirely different types of HF mixing) doesn't dissuade all kind of swindlers to sell "square wave, audio frequency, pad type" devices crap.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 03:22:12 15:22 »

 hi guys Smiley, maybe it interests them to see it, has fresh information about cancer treatment in liver by rf ... I think it is in Spanish, but the translator and if something does not mean I have no problem translating and helping ok. Smiley

Posted on: January 09, 2015, 03:14:26 15:14 - Automerged

http://www.cancer.org/espanol/cancer/cancerdehigado/guiadetallada/cancer-de-higado-treating-tumor-ablation   ups y forget the link ...

Posted on: January 09, 2015, 03:16:49 15:16 - Automerged

http://www.kidneycancerinstitute.com/spanish/cryoablation.html  and here is an institute so is real...

Posted on: January 09, 2015, 03:19:09 15:19 - Automerged

y don t have experience about rife but y think is real 100 percent http://www.rifedigital.com/
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 09:22:55 21:22 »

The first note just speak about the concept of the term (send a controlled hi freq current pulses to wax'em , damn tumors) , no more detailed than a dictionary entry

in the second link the dont give a word about the RF ablation, they speak 99% of the press note about the cryo ablation procedure and stuff but nuttin ' concerning the Rf one

and off course no references at all on both links...  even wikipedia points to references :p but not that 2 web links, sorry my friend, i hope i'll find an interesting article to share :p one day
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2015, 12:20:47 00:20 »

I was asked to make Rife Machines to be sold in New Zealand. After reading up I could not put my name to it I just did not believe. Over there they put a sine wave through salt water you put your feet in connected via an old laptop charger to the mains, What could go wrong Sad 
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2015, 02:32:17 14:32 »

@David_1

That is not even resembling the historical Rife device - no HF carrier, RF bursts, no plasma antenna.

This is how the historical clinical device behave. http://youtu.be/olasnJSLzKA
More about history of Rife can be seen in this TV show with English subtitles. http://youtu.be/Wc44kzFHgrQ
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2015, 01:57:49 01:57 »

Looks like a bunch of pseudo-scientific rubbish.

The problem is that they are not using free energy devices.  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2015, 04:56:23 04:56 »

Looks like a bunch of pseudo-scientific rubbish.

Far from it. There is a very good scientific basis for the theory of operation.

The problem is that nowadays everything is called "Rife" while in reality they have nothing to do with the historical devices.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2015, 12:53:12 00:53 »

@David_1

That is not even resembling the historical Rife device - no HF carrier, RF bursts, no plasma antenna.

This is how the historical clinical device behave. http://youtu.be/olasnJSLzKA
More about history of Rife can be seen in this TV show with English subtitles. http://youtu.be/Wc44kzFHgrQ


I know I did research it Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2015, 02:58:24 14:58 »

Yeah, thanks for sharing all that "research" and "scientific basis", guys.

Until then....

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2015, 05:46:11 05:46 »

Yeah, thanks for sharing all that "research" and "scientific basis", guys.

Until then....



Is that a Fluke or is it from Aliexpress Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2015, 10:42:55 10:42 »

I would suggest you to not tinker with home-made-health/homeopathy/lemon&backing soda/spiritism cancer "cures". If you are lucky you loose only your money, if you are unlucky you loose your health...


RF ablation works only if you are able to bind the cancer with some magnetic (ferrite) nanoparticles. Those nanoparticles dissipate energy by hysteresys and that rise the temperature of the cancer, cooking it and triggering apoptosys.

the rest is pure bullshit

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2015, 01:11:41 01:11 »

This rife stuff sounds pretty dubious, especially for curing cancer and so forth.  But, there is something to electrical stimulation therapies.  TENS has been used for many years and is effective for relieving pain.  Some other modalities such as FSM (frequency specific microcurrent) also appear to be effective in treating some conditions, many muscle sprains and such. 

I injured my shoulder about 3 years ago by reaching too far for something and hyper extending my shoulder.  After 9 months of pain and reduced range of motion even after seeing a couple doctors and physical therapy, I tried FSM and my shoulder improved after only a few hours of therapy spread over a week.  I noticed some improvement after only a couple sessions.  I didn't even have the actual FSM device which is a primitive design and overpriced at $2500 for the basic version and $5000 for the "deluxe" model.  I synthesized similar waveforms with a function generator (and later an arbitrary waveform synthesizer).  After 60 minute daily therapy for about 3 weeks, my shoulder pain was gone and range of motion back to normal.  I kept doing it for a few more weeks just to be sure, but haven't needed it since.  I didn't have a current mode waveform synthesizer so just used voltage mode manually adjusted the amplitude to keep the current in the desired range (typically 300-1000 microamps).  I was thinking about buying or borrowing a current mode waveform generator, but it turned out that I didn't need it:

http://www.keithley.com/products/dcac/currentsource/broadpurpose?mn=6220
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2015, 07:56:24 19:56 »

I wouldn't totally dismiss Rife's system as a possible way of for example killing micro-organisms. However, there is so much fraud and obvious bullshit using his name, that it is easy to get lost.

First, According to my research, Rife used radio frequencies in a few megahertz magnitude. So anything based on audio frequencies and without a RF generator is by definition NOT a Rife system.

Secondly, use of gas discharge tube may have significance, not so because the tube itself would radiate something "magical" stuff, but because a gas discharge is an extremely non-linear phenomena. Therefore, running RF through a gas discharge generates a lot of harmonics. If the Rife's systems worked, the harmonics frequencies might be the key.

Thirdly, one can easily -and without too big risks - construct a much better and more stable RF generator giving the estimated few ten or up to 100 W likely available from Rife's machines. Radio amateurs handle similar frequencies and power levels routinely. One needs just general safety training mainly to avoid accidental burns or in some cases chocks. (Newbies shouldn't try!). Therefore one could experiment today much easier than on his time. But that kind of work would be a major research effort. You can't simply replicate his systems, as too much information is either lost, or just plain fake.

Also, due to restrictions how much RF and on which frequencies one can legally "radiate", one would require to do the work in a shielded room ("Faraday's cage"). Or else some authority could soon knock on the experimenter's door, trying to find a reason, that for example aeronautical communications are disturbed, or that the local police radios are jammed, or whatever similar.

Such research work is therefore at least much larger than my time and space available for an interesting hobby!
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2015, 09:51:15 09:51 »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvDHKKsCL4
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2015, 11:12:28 11:12 »

First, According to my research, Rife used radio frequencies in a few megahertz magnitude. So anything based on audio frequencies and without a RF generator is by definition NOT a Rife system.

2.5 - 5.5 MHz to be more exact (if you count in all versions of the device made in 1930's and 1940's.

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Secondly, use of gas discharge tube may have significance, not so because the tube itself would radiate something "magical" stuff, but because a gas discharge is an extremely non-linear phenomena. Therefore, running RF through a gas discharge generates a lot of harmonics. If the Rife's systems worked, the harmonics frequencies might be the key.

Plasma antennas are indeed non-linear.
However, they're also primarily electrostatic by their nature which allows for relatively strong capacitive coupling between pulsed RF plasma and eukaryote cells (which are primarily capacitive by their nature).


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You can't simply replicate his systems, as too much information is either lost, or just plain fake.

Much of the laboratory results are indeed lost but technical information on the originals are definitely available.
In the past 10 - 15 years several original devices were found and reverse engineered quite thoroughly and the first successful effort in that regard was done by Aubrey Scoon in Scotland in early 2000's.
You can find all the information and the reverse engineering reports here http://rifevideos.com
It should give you a good starting point although you may find that the quality of Chinese made triodes are often rather unsuitable for stable use in Hartley power oscillator which is the main part of the historical laboratory and clinical devices.

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Also, due to restrictions how much RF and on which frequencies one can legally "radiate", one would require to do the work in a shielded room ("Faraday's cage"). Or else some authority could soon knock on the experimenter's door, trying to find a reason, that for example aeronautical communications are disturbed, or that the local police radios are jammed, or whatever similar.

Actually, that would be an overkill.
In majority of cases placing the equipment inside building made of armatured concrete is enough to reduce emissions to rather acceptable levels unless you're located very close to some HAM or commercial station working in 2.5 - 5.5 MHz.

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https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_doyle_treating_cancer_with_electric_fields?language=en
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2015, 09:56:10 09:56 »

I agree in general what you have commented with added details. Thank you got that!

However, I would like to have a bit more information and a reference regarding "eukaryote cells (which are primarily capacitive by their nature)".

Eukaryote is pretty clear word to me. Our body cells are of eukaryote type. However, I can't locate information regarding their capacitive nature? Also, Rife's theory was that the treatment killed bacteria and virii (Bacteria are prokaryotic cells). Also, the RF was leaving the body (eukaryote) cells in peace, selectively destroying only the intruders?
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