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« on: December 24, 2006, 04:38:55 16:38 »

ICD-U40 is a perfect solution for debugging and programming PIC. It's fully independant from MPLAB, well integrated in PCW and is quite cheap. It has very advantages vs ICD2, at least it's faster. Here is the circuit and PCB for those who want to make it themself.

http://rapidshare.com/files/8798524/icd-u40.pdf


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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2006, 05:58:16 17:58 »

Yes, off course, it's price is very accessible.
But if you want to save ~$50 you could make it by yourself (if you can  Wink)
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2006, 11:42:11 23:42 »

ICD-U40 is a perfect solution for debugging and programming PIC. It's fully independant from MPLAB, well integrated in PCW and is quite cheap. It has very advantages vs ICD2, at least it's faster. Here is the circuit and PCB for those who want to make it themself.

http://rapidshare.com/files/8798524/icd-u40.pdf


Thanks to Pirev(http://www.geocities.com/svetoslavpirev/)

We need the firmware too...
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 07:25:30 07:25 »

hi
is it possible to replace pic 18f252 with 18f452 because i could't find 18f252  ?any idea?
please help me
spesial thanks to stefan for sharing project
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 09:21:44 09:21 »

18f452 is a 40 pin device, not a 20 pin device as 18f252. But if you arrange the PCB again with the correct fuse settings I think 18f452 will do also.

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 04:53:11 04:53 »

thanks for your reply .
i know 18f452 is 40 pin but i mean that do the firmware for 18f252 must modified and then used for 18f452?
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 09:09:49 09:09 »

I tried to say that the firmware should work without any problems with the correct fuse settings for 18f452. Like disabling the extra peripherals of 18f452 with the fuses.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2007, 09:30:53 09:30 »

I can confirm this: I have built both ICD-S with 16F877 instead of 16f876 and ICD-S40 with 18F452 instead of 18F252 - both work OK !
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 04:21:05 04:21 »

hello dembo can you provide us the related materials for us(firmware,pcb,schmatic etc.) Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 04:53:55 04:53 »

thank u fou your complete replies
it's a good Idea dembo if posible, share your design (18f452) with us  Wink

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2007, 08:53:52 20:53 »

OK,OK, no problem...
A small intro: this thread is about ICD-U40, but I built 2 versions of ICD-S, I checked them with USB-to-COM adapter at communication level only, I didn't try burn something via USB yet...
About my projects:
1. The design is based on Microchip original ICD-1 schematics. I took some board with 40-pin PIC socket and MAX232 and modified it to ICD-1, it's very simple - a few components added, for 13V I took external MC34063A up-converter at 1st, after that i checked original booster schematics (was OK) and multiplier tricky powered from MAX232 (OK for flash PIC, but sometimes doesn't start if COM connected before Vcc)

2. For ICD-S PIC16F877 was programmed with original Microchip bootloader. For ICD-S40 PIC18F452 was programmed with ICD-U40 full firmware 1.25 from this site - I supposed that the bootloader is the same for ICDS40 and ICDU40, and it was right.(I can't find the file now, maybe it on my office computer, I'll look for). The crystal was 3.6864 and 10MHz accordingly.

3. Enter ICDS SW and program 1.39 version of firmware. The SW says that it can't identify my HW, so I need select it from the list - I selected... After that all was OK
 I didn't tried 2.xx FW because 1.39 was OK until now.

4. A tip: Bootloader is not absolutely required - CCSC .fw files are regular .tar archive files and can be opened with winrar.
1.xx versions can be programmed to the chip and work great, exept FW update button (it erases FW only Smiley ), unfortunately this trick doesn't work for 2.xx FW Sad
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 04:40:48 04:40 »

i have replaced the crystal and pic16f876 of mplab icd1 with 18f252 and it is detecting now as icds-40 in the ccs icd and also updating the firm ware but one problem i hangs sometimes when it is excecuting step wise,so i brought a new icd2 from mblab but it cant be replaced for icds-40 of ccs,i have all the firmware eprom bin file of icdu-40 &icd s-40 ,sch etc i will upload it after a few days in rapid share,any body help me in resolving the problems in icd s-40 Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 09:52:08 09:52 »

Could somebody please confirm the right VID & PID nr for the ICDU-40 posted here? Is it right that the ICDU driver are checking also the USB serial nr prefix? (the basic is same as posted here, i made just a little modification, with FT232RL).
I try to made working my board, but i miss something when I install the driver (i tried with an older one and also with a fresh one, and i can see in device management, but the board is not find by ICD).
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2007, 08:22:07 08:22 »

problem solved.
have a good day!
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2007, 04:39:58 16:39 »

hi all,

Can any one upload full project of building ICD-U40 again?

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2007, 08:34:28 08:34 »

hi all,

micropar, I checked again and the design posted here is downloadable.
i also try to finalize my board, but i met again some trouble. I spend some time to complete my board, and all's fine, but now i have no idea.
I made a board based an circuit posted before (draw by Tamas Norbert) I changed just the FT chip to RL version. The coomunication is ok, i can see and test with ICD control program, and with pcwh debugger, but when i try to test the target, it is not detectable.
i measured the 18f 252 output, and i see that the RC1 pin is in low status, so the VPP is not enabled to the target, and the RC5 pin is in High status. In this time the on led is lighted with more intesity.
If i'd like to test again, i have to disconeect and to connect again.
I checked again my hardware, my target connection, everything is like ok. (also i can update the firmware without problem).
Could somebody who has done this board advice some tips for me?
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2007, 07:09:08 07:09 »


please upload the firmware of ICD-U40
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2007, 08:15:11 08:15 »

OK,OK, no problem...

Hi all   
Can you tell me the name of the firmware file?
it is ccsicdu40-pic16-pic18.hex? 
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2007, 09:30:27 09:30 »

Hi,

I think the driver name is  'imgu-40-pic16-pic18-01-25'.
but i have to check at home.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2007, 11:41:57 11:41 »

I used this one , than upgraded it to 1.39 with ICD SW
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2007, 05:44:17 17:44 »

Thanks dembo and pama
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2007, 10:52:57 10:52 »

I used this one , than upgraded it to 1.39 with ICD SW

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Where is the link?
Sorry, somebody can upload the complete project (firmware,scheme,pcb....)
Thanks a lot  Grin

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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2007, 09:25:37 09:25 »


Hello for all. I want to make ICD (ICD-U or ICD-S) somebody can uploads the complete projects (firmware,schemes,pcb....)
Thanks.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2007, 06:38:54 18:38 »

Some problem with attach... I'll try 2nd time
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2007, 06:46:15 18:46 »

No success... go to rapidshare

There is all that I used - ICD1 manual and hex for 18F252

http://rapidshare.com/files/30021590/ICDS.zip.html
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2007, 09:14:53 09:14 »

Hi,

i have my working version, i finished some month ago. I made 3 version, but finally a didn't post because i made a litlle error also on the last one.But it works for me, the problem is that it's really hard to do the pcb at home enviroment.

i'll collect the info and i'll come back.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2007, 09:44:49 09:44 »

hello dembo. thanks, but the shematic is the pic 16F876 and not 18F252?? I don´t understand it.
Sorry for my bad Inglish
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2007, 09:50:08 09:50 »

thanks pama. I waiting the information.
sorry for my bad inglish.
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2007, 06:30:44 18:30 »

Jose: the original ICD1 uses 16F876, it has Microchip built-in bootloader.

1. CCS ICDS uses this HW as-is, also bootloader is compatible, and You can load CCS firmvare to it without problem and revert to ICD1 when You want. I started with this, but You need reload firmware when You switch from 16F to 18F and back.

2. If You change XTALL to 20MHz, it becomes  ICDS-20. I never tried this, and I have no bootloader for it.

3. If You change XTALL to 10MHz and the chip to 18F252 with attached firmware, it becomes  ICDS-40. now the same firmvare supports 16F and 18F series. This one I use for now.
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2007, 09:38:23 09:38 »

thanks dembo. Have you got the PCB boards of the ICD, format protel, eaglee,etc?. I want to make the ICd i haven´t the board. Shared up please.
Sorry for my bad Englis
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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2007, 02:20:39 14:20 »

hi,

sorry, somehow i wasn't able to login. Now it's ok, thanks Admin!
So, here is my board. I tested it and works fine, but i did it just for my fun. And i don't really know that it can help somebody.
When i prototyped, the Vpp generation wasn't so stable, but when i connect an ext. power supply it was working well. This was the reason why i introduced the maxim step up converter.
Also i propose to be able to run from the usb power, but also from an ext power supply, which is adjustable. In this way i think is independent from the usb power supply, and also can give power supply for the target board.
I made just these two little modification in the original circuit, and another one was the newest ft chip-RL, which is more advantageous than the older BM chip. Also i connected some leds to show whats happened.

but it's a challenge to build this board, because i used the rl chip with 0.65 mm pitch, and also if you loock carefuly, you have to solder under the component, wich is not so easy. But i solved with a really crazy idea, i'll comeback to this issue ,if you are inrerested.
I did it in protel99, but please don't ask for the sourse file.

so, after all, i think that is cheaper to buy an original one!

thanks and good luck,
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http://rapidshare.com/files/30709969/icd.zip.html
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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2007, 02:22:37 14:22 »

sorry, psw is the board name where you are.
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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2007, 07:49:06 07:49 »

thanks pama.
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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2007, 08:11:00 08:11 »

See also this link - single-side PCB that looks good...

http://www.chez.com/silicium31/Electronique/PIC/free_icd.htm

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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2007, 10:22:49 10:22 »

sorry, sir, please share the password.
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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2007, 03:53:41 15:53 »

thanks pama!
best regards!
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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2007, 08:31:50 08:31 »

hi everyone,

i was in hurry when i post the board, and i miss something to mention:
- on this board you have just to make a wire connection between R40 and D3 -anod, on the bottom board.
This is because i forget to cut the Q1 colector and VPP led from the Vdd, with the D3 diode. And i also connect the Vpp led to the Vdd, instead the ground.
So i introduce the D3 diode after the pcb was finalized, and i put a via close to the R40, for this wire connection.

i hope that is clear.
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2007, 09:34:51 21:34 »

Dear friend, please share the pass of the ICD.

Thanks.

is the board name where you are. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2007, 08:01:17 08:01 »

What's the pass word?


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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2007, 10:06:19 10:06 »

hi,
do you know a good place on the web, where you can share your experience, knowledge,....,and other good things with other interested people? I hope that you know one! Wink
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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2007, 01:11:29 01:11 »

Hi pama

are you have eeprom for FT232RL ? And how to program to FT232RL ?

Thank you very much
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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2007, 08:24:38 08:24 »

Hi Soter,

you have to download the datasheet for the rl chip, from the www.ftdichip.com and also the program utility for eeprom programmer, called MProg. (it was version 2.9c when i played with this). All avaible on the web page. Its quite easy to play with this utility.
this is the newest Ft232 chip, with eeprom inside the device, with no external crystal.
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« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2007, 06:31:01 18:31 »

Now i can use FT232RL with Mprog. But i not have eeprom file ( .ept ) for ICD-U40 , For program to FT232RL. Please share me

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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2007, 08:12:06 08:12 »

Hi Soter,

with the Mprog utility you can create your own .ept file. So, if you'ld like to use the older chip, you need the eeprom content. But for the rl version you have just to type the right VID/PID nrs, which are VID= 0403, PID= F9D1. And also you have to select the right I/O configuration for C0-C4, based on your hardware. But, i think on the default config you have just to change the VID/PID.
And also you have to check on icdu.inf the vendor iD numbers.

i hope that it helps!
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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2007, 12:18:20 00:18 »

help me please, I try with VID&PID but icd.exe rise exception.

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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2007, 08:14:59 08:14 »

Hi Soter,

please give us some details about your hardware: -which hardware have you made,which driver do you have/used?
When i installed my version, I also had a lot of problems with the drivers, and my hardware wans't able to run with the nevest dirver from ccsinfo.com. And finaly i installed with some older drivers posted here.
But please give us some details about the steps where you are now, and i'll check at home my driver versions and i'll post.
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« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2007, 02:51:38 02:51 »

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hi folks,

nice post, but if you'll do in the future in same way, i think you never will be helped! Why don't you use your word? It's like that you are my shadow in this forum! All things i made it just for my fun, and I share it to help others. I don't need your thanks, but i hate your 'copy/paste' habit!!!!! Now im thinking to keep for myself all of my work!!!
pama

I take your information and your "project" to help the others, not for my benefit. Is the only project that I take and copy/paste. In addition, in neither part said that it is my project
Anyway your project don't work if you don't share the .ept file. If you really want to help us put all the information and not guess.
Thanks for all....

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« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2007, 08:35:19 08:35 »

ok soters,

once again and for tha last time: -the problem is not because you share in that forum my contribution, you made me angree because you copy/paste my answer from here, and sign it with your abbreviation name.
But i think is not so right that you distribute it, and now you say that you not complete it and you have same problems with this. In this way you made peoples a little bit confused...

So to be on the subject, my board is working for me, tested an using frecvently with a 16f877 target.
I'll check at home the ept file, but i was able to play easily with the mprog, and i had just to modify the VID/PID in this file, and to configure the output to drive the leds.
good luck
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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2007, 09:06:09 09:06 »

hi soter,

so, trying to prepare a short description for you, and trying to install the board on a second pc, i met same 'exception at memory address....' message. I remember that it was same when i install first time my board. The reason is that it is some driver problem between ccs drivers and ftdi drivers. Maybe it can be confirmed by somebody who has an original device with original drivers. (In that time i saw some same complains on the ccs forum.
But i collected a lot of drivers, and i tried with that and i din't made any notes. I planed to post a clear drivers for my board versions, but it's too more time to check again wich is working and which not.
So, i'll show my 'dirty' steps for installing, found late at night (finally it works perfectly on the second pc):

1.install the ICDU drivers; checking in device manag. --> CCS ICDU-40, vers.    2006.05.19, 2.0.0.0 (surelly with the connected device);
2. in device manag., properties, enable the Load VCP obtions;
3. disconnect and replug  on the usb the board; will apear in the device manag. on the COM, a new serial device, with the ?;
4. edit the ftdi drivers (CDM ini files) with the right VID/PID values and install the drivers;
5. check in device mang., you have to found on COM ports an USB serial port, with FTDI drivers, 2006.05.19, vers. 2.0.0.0;
check or edit the com properties, you need 115.200 kb/sec for com speed;
 (surelly with the device connected)
6. find the ftd2xx.dll 172kb from 2006.11.03, on c\windows\system32, this is the bad one, replace with ftd2xx.dll 72kb from 2004.09.23, this is the right one for me;
7. start the ICD soft and set the com port to the values set in device manager.

thats was for me.

So, the key is the dll sys file, and you have to install an older CCS ICDU driver, and not the  ept file - eprom content. If the eprom content is bad, it's mean that you fail in the first step (your device will not be recognize as ICDU usb device).

If you manage to make it run, please look at the circuit, and understand the meanings of the 2 JP jumpers. Because it's not possible to connect in same time the usb connector and the ext power supply, without to fix the jumper in right position. (i haven't got space for 2 cuttings diodes).

i hope that helps,
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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2007, 03:03:49 03:03 »

hi soter,

so, trying to prepare a short description for you, and trying to install the board on a second pc, i met same 'exception at memory address....' message. I remember that it was same when i install first time my board. The reason is that it is some driver problem between ccs drivers and ftdi drivers. Maybe it can be confirmed by somebody who has an original device with original drivers. (In that time i saw some same complains on the ccs forum.
But i collected a lot of drivers, and i tried with that and i din't made any notes. I planed to post a clear drivers for my board versions, but it's too more time to check again wich is working and which not.
So, i'll show my 'dirty' steps for installing, found late at night (finally it works perfectly on the second pc):

1.install the ICDU drivers; checking in device manag. --> CCS ICDU-40, vers.    2006.05.19, 2.0.0.0 (surelly with the connected device);
2. in device manag., properties, enable the Load VCP obtions;
3. disconnect and replug  on the usb the board; will apear in the device manag. on the COM, a new serial device, with the ?;
4. edit the ftdi drivers (CDM ini files) with the right VID/PID values and install the drivers;
5. check in device mang., you have to found on COM ports an USB serial port, with FTDI drivers, 2006.05.19, vers. 2.0.0.0;
check or edit the com properties, you need 115.200 kb/sec for com speed;
 (surelly with the device connected)
6. find the ftd2xx.dll 172kb from 2006.11.03, on c\windows\system32, this is the bad one, replace with ftd2xx.dll 72kb from 2004.09.23, this is the right one for me;
7. start the ICD soft and set the com port to the values set in device manager.

thats was for me.

So, the key is the dll sys file, and you have to install an older CCS ICDU driver, and not the  ept file - eprom content. If the eprom content is bad, it's mean that you fail in the first step (your device will not be recognize as ICDU usb device).

If you manage to make it run, please look at the circuit, and understand the meanings of the 2 JP jumpers. Because it's not possible to connect in same time the usb connector and the ext power supply, without to fix the jumper in right position. (i haven't got space for 2 cuttings diodes).

i hope that helps,
best wishes
pama

I download the old ftd2xx.dll v.2.0.11.1 from http://www.sidena.com/download/FTD2XX.dll and works fine!!!
thanks pama your project works 100%
and thanks to the other forum Wink
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2007, 02:12:52 14:12 »

thanks for feedback!
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« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2007, 01:15:30 13:15 »

Hi Pama and Dear Friends
May I get ICD-U40 schemetics and pcb file for any program like protel and other program.
Thanks..
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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2007, 07:17:21 07:17 »

hi all,
the driver for the icd-u40 can b found here;
hope this http://www.ccsinfo.com/downloads/setup_usbdrivers.exe
and the driver for icd-s40;
http://www.ccsinfo.com/downloads/setup_icd.exe
hope this might help someone.
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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2007, 09:03:13 09:03 »

sorry oyhan, but i don't plan to post the protel source files. i spend several hours to adjust and to test the circuit, and i'd like to keep for myself the possibility to modify and to improove this circuit.
But started to this point, you could easily modify and complete a new version.
best wish
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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2008, 09:51:14 09:51 »

Hi. Anybody have a schematic for REAL ICDU40(with FW2.xx) and work with 3V devices?

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« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2008, 08:14:27 08:14 »

hello every body
this files wich is attached here are not REAL ICDU40 and will not support pic j series.
please upload REAL ICDU40 schematic and firmware if its possible
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« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2009, 05:29:05 05:29 »

I confused please help
How to make a ICD-u40 programer/debuger
help me PLZ
1-schematic and pcb
2-firmware
3-PC driver if need
4-some note and guide about it

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I confused please help
How to make a ICD-u40 programer/debuger
tell me PLZ
1-schematic and pcb
2-firmware
3-PC driver if need
4-some note and guide about it
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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2012, 04:18:04 04:18 »

hi,

sorry, somehow i wasn't able to login. Now it's ok, thanks Admin!
So, here is my board. I tested it and works fine, but i did it just for my fun. And i don't really know that it can help somebody.
When i prototyped, the Vpp generation wasn't so stable, but when i connect an ext. power supply it was working well. This was the reason why i introduced the maxim step up converter.
Also i propose to be able to run from the usb power, but also from an ext power supply, which is adjustable. In this way i think is independent from the usb power supply, and also can give power supply for the target board.
I made just these two little modification in the original circuit, and another one was the newest ft chip-RL, which is more advantageous than the older BM chip. Also i connected some leds to show whats happened.

but it's a challenge to build this board, because i used the rl chip with 0.65 mm pitch, and also if you loock carefuly, you have to solder under the component, wich is not so easy. But i solved with a really crazy idea, i'll comeback to this issue ,if you are inrerested.
I did it in protel99, but please don't ask for the sourse file.

so, after all, i think that is cheaper to buy an original one!

thanks and good luck,
pama

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